Druid's 'Drema's Druidfab Attachments !!

[V8Druid]

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Whipped the pick up adapter off the block grab to 'borrow' it for a while and set out a 174mm P.C.D. x 2 x 6 way bolt hole set .....



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..... piloted 'em



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and give them the 17mm treatment from the other side



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Amazingly it dropped on sweet as a nut ........



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I double mount drilled it, so that the orientation can be spun around 90 deg.s, but as it'll probably be used most under the VA-r, it's a bit academic, but with the drill on the bench it made sense.


Anyway picked it up to see how it sat and suss some plumbing, now it was devoid of mineral olio, to give it a try.



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As I was able to open/close it easily sat on the dipper like that, it was an easy suss for fouling/clearances


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So ....... slotted a couple of QC males straight on the ram ports, for now, and borrowed the VA-r's new 1/2" pipes to give it a try.



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Worked just fine - closest things to hand were the 3 ft Geith bucket, at 430 kgs, which it gripped and picked fine and my 1200kg concrete test weight block which it also gripped and picked OK, but needed to keep the pressure on slightly to maintain the grip.
Check valve required methinks.


So went rummaging in my bits and bobs stock as I was pretty certain I had a couple in there.

this looked a prime candidate as it's a two way circuit jobby and reckon it'll plumb straight to the close port of the ram nicely, with a short flexi to the open port.


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This came off the rotater I made the VA-r with when I had it and I know it's a functional valve



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I also have this one which came off/was intended for the rigger leg on a Hydrocon crane, but the fault rectified itself before I got to fitting this, so has sat in its box ever since.
Long time ago and can't remember HTF it was plumbed, but on a two way circuit - up/down - this has got P1, P2 and R ports - any thoughts anyone?
It would only need to be checked in one direction originally - extended!!



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If I could suss this, it too would be adequate for the grab, as that'd only need to be checked in the closed stroke !




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Got the grub up shout before I could clear up and had to come back out to tidy up - hate having to do that - much prefer to get it done before sitting down for nosh .......... however !!!!



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More than life itself is worth, to ignore 'the bell' !!!!


So .......... look out rocks ......... I's got something to get hold of yer lil' buggers with now and can have a tidy up ......... if it stops raining long enough for the ground to dry out. ......... Again!!

[ja-bond77]

If you google the number on the cartridge valve you probably could find a schematic on how it is supposed to be hooked up.

Any idea what the make of the grabble itself is? Looks scandinavian...(although not familiar with UK manufacturers...). Just remember to not excert to much sideloads on the grapple, they don´t usually stand up so well for that... (i.e. no "digging")

[V8Druid]

If you google the number on the cartridge valve you probably could find a schematic on how it is supposed to be hooked up.

Any idea what the make of the grabble itself is? Looks scandinavian...(although not familiar with UK manufacturers...). Just remember to not excert to much sideloads on the grapple, they don´t usually stand up so well for that... (i.e. no "digging")

I'll try the numbers idea Ja - it would be good to know what it is anyway

I found my grab on Finn last night - it's a Cranab - made in Sweden !


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Deffo the same as mine
the stiffener webs on the body are real unusual and identical on this, as are the pin retainer guards, etc., etc. !!


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heres that 6 bolt rotator that must have been the original fit


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Guessing mine'd be a Cranab 60 !? - the PCD for the rotator is inset a lot more on the mount plate on mine and therefore probably bigger ...... mine's a 60" opening - guess this'd be a 42" one?

http://www.finn.no/finn/b2b/construc...nkode=61848215

Could go looking now I had a better idea what I'm after - I had drawn a blank to date!!

amazing what you can find with a little info.
http://bindertrucks.com/en/greifer-cranab-3000-kg/


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this one is 2001


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Weighed mine yesterday and without the rotator or head bracket it's 225 kg


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I'd say that's definitely my grab

Gives me a good idea for the gusset replacement too !!


I am well pleased - it looked well made, in the multitude of pix the seller sent me and is even better in the flesh
Also have an idea of capacity now too

Should handle most things I'm likely to be going to try and do with it

Maybe the warranty might be out now though!!

http://www.cranab.info/www%5Ccranabc...oductsGrapples

[ja-bond77]

Cranab would´ve been my guess too. I was just doubtful that you could find that in the UK in some quantities... But all it takes is one... I have one myself, that's what I believe anyway. It is smaller though, comes from a forwarder. Yours is maybe from a timber lorry? They have pretty large grabs on those cranes... But do you at all have timber lorries? I mean there isn't that much forests in the UK, right?

Heres is mine, the pics don´t show much though:

ja-bond77 @ Nyodling på bonderiet!

ja-bond77 @ Nyodling på bonderiet!

[jörgen.ottosson]

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Guessing mine'd be a Cranab 60 !? - the PCD for the rotator is inset a lot more on the mount plate on mine and therefore probably bigger ...... mine's a 60" opening - guess this'd be a 42" one?
....

The model designation on Cranab grabs are usaly the area of the cross section when the tip's of the grab are nearly touching ( so a model 42 can probably grab about 0,4x m² in cross section.) .

By the way, just next door to the Cranab production facility, is this company: http://www.indexator.se/sv/rototilt/

....quite a coincident. ( the founding "father" is the same for both company´s...)

[V8Druid]

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Guessing mine'd be a Cranab 60 !? - the PCD for the rotator is inset a lot more on the mount plate on mine and therefore probably bigger ...... mine's a 60" opening - guess this'd be a 42" one?
....

The model designation on Cranab grabs are usaly the area of the cross section when the tip's of the grab are nearly touching ( so a model 42 can probably grab about 0,4x m² in cross section.) .

By the way, just next door to the Cranab production facility, is this company: http://www.indexator.se/sv/rototilt/

....quite a coincident. ( the founding "father" is the same for both company´s...)

Well that is all very interesting Jörgen - quite a pedigree eh?
It is a very well made unit - I have been juggling that check valve into the beast today - tight is one word to describe it
More later

[V8Druid]

If you google the number on the cartridge valve you probably could find a schematic on how it is supposed to be hooked up.

Any idea what the make of the grabble itself is? Looks scandinavian...(although not familiar with UK manufacturers...). Just remember to not excert to much sideloads on the grapple, they don´t usually stand up so well for that... (i.e. no "digging")

This is the number Ja .......


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.........but had no success so far this evening in finding any info. on it

[V8Druid]

Cranab would´ve been my guess too. I was just doubtful that you could find that in the UK in some quantities... But all it takes is one... I have one myself, that's what I believe anyway. It is smaller though, comes from a forwarder. Yours is maybe from a timber lorry? They have pretty large grabs on those cranes... But do you at all have timber lorries? I mean there isn't that much forests in the UK, right?

Heres is mine, the pics don´t show much though:

ja-bond77 @ Nyodling på bonderiet!

ja-bond77 @ Nyodling på bonderiet!

Some very interesting photos there Ja - that is a hell of a reach on that crane, ....... a hell of a pile of wood and another hell of a pile of rocks too
The scenery is very flat where you are - I was surprised by it?
I must go back to the start of the thread and have a better look

Is that crane arm fitted to your BHL as an attachment ????
Would love a better picture of that

Just looked back in the thread and the "hell of a pile" is 'brash' for chipping (into biomass??)

Is this your property Ja

[V8Druid]

Having drawn a total blank on sussing the single check valve, I decided to see if I could fit the double-er into the grab somehow.
Bit of a squeeze and some canny plumbing, but I got it in there without fouling anything!!

It's direct onto the close port and I had a small flexi that was just right to get me to the open/extend port on the ram ....... a shorter one on a banjo'd be even better and may well get one made up, as this one's a bit 'scabby' anyway.



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open it's all a bit tight, not helped by the fact that, the extend port isn't fitted square on the cylinder !!!!!


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Ignore the long bolts sticking into the proceedings - I was waiting for some new M16 x 60s to turn up and are all sorted now - never have enough of what yer want eh?


closed it's got a lot more space to play with



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stuck a couple of QCs onto the input ports on the check block, but think a couple of short hose tails will end up on there, with QCs flying, to connect to the VA-r outputs eventually



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It was holding better now, but think it could still do with some adjustment to the checks?
Anyone know how to adjust them?
Obviously its a case of slack off the lock nut, but which way does one turn the centre bolt to achieve a better pressure hold?


Looking at it there ain't a lot left for 'in', so if it isn't 'screw out', it's as good as it'll get, just about !!!!

[V8Druid]

Bit of a Fau Pas perhaps with my newly installed valve ................ couple of the guys on my UK forum are of the opinion that what I'd thought was a double check valve, ......... ain't!!

They reckon what I have is a cross line relief valve and they may well be bang on, judging by their explanations. ........ so......
it'll be coming off for closer inspection ........ when it stops peeing down with rain!!

However, bit of a silver lining, if it is ......... the sun was out yesterday morning and me and Mrs D headed for Welland Steam Rally, as planned.
An hour's drive got us to ..................... where the ******* queue started


Another two hours got us the other mile and a bit into the parking field.


If anyone connected with the organisation of the show is reading, I've two words for you - traffic management!!!
FFS, get some in place!


Plenty of pay/entry points, once you're actually in the showground and no queues - FFS!! - get them in there, off the road quicker and in a controlled manner, instead of the free for all at the cross roads leading in!!!!!


I have never seen such a complete f*** up, in all the years I've been going there!!!
Where have all the traffic marshals gone this year ? Not one in sight .......... anywhere, outside the showground, like there usually is, keeping the flow going! A total balls up!!


OK, ........ rant over - I hope someone sees it - bloody well nearly aborted, an hour into the queue and if I had I wouldn't have had the few good buys, that I did.


The best one being a virtually new PO check valve, 1/2" ported with adaptors still fitted ............ for a tenner!


The very last 'stall' I looked at - more like a bric-a-brac/car boot, than anything, but the guy had been using it on some development test rig (?) he'd been building - couldn't believe my luck!!!
Pix later guys.
Should fit a treat!!


Lovely day for the show; not too hot and importantly not peeing down like it was Friday and is again today - monsoon level rain


Got to meet one of the guys from the UK forum too, as I'd arranged to meet him with an O&K manual on disc for him, that I'd downloaded, if we got there!!


Hell he's a big fella - Mrs D standing at 5' 4" (162cm) says to him, staring skyward, "how tall are you exactly Dehayne" ?
"6' 9"" (206cm) came the reply, with a big smile.


What a nice guy and great to finally put a face to all the emails and conversations we've had - see on FB it was his birthday yesterday too and I forgot to wish him a happy birthday, in the flesh ........ bugger!!


Had hoped to put a face to another too, as the Ex Mayor engine is usually there, but couldn't see it, or him anywhere?


One to make you smile/cringe - there was a military spec engine there, which I forgot to get a pic of - missus might have - which was hauling a full scale replica of, IIRC, an 8" howitzer, drag trailer and accommodation trailer.


I was told it set off from somewhere in Essex at 04.00 Friday and arrived in the showground around 22.30 Friday night !!
Can you imagine the trail of carnage on the roads, that it must have left, in its wake!?!!





Not the best, but only one I can see right now





Nice to see this old girl in her working clothes, so to speak, even if they were freshly laundered!!

[V8Druid]

slight update on the above thread comments - just got a FB message from the pilot of said velocipede which stated :-
" We came from West Sussex & stuck to dual carriageways so that we didn't hold anyone up."
isn't technology wonderful?

[V8Druid]

So........ here's yesterday's bargain pilot op. check valve .........



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Chap I had it of said it's set to circa 100psi on the pilot pressure so shouldn't be too 'snatchy'


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I'll have a shufty for the numbers in a minute.


Had to whip it to bits this afternoon, to suss which ports were in/out and having done so, I can now see exactly how the lil' beast functions!
Clean as a whistle inside,as was the small residue of oil sat in it.


Having sussed how these work, I thought I'd have a shufty inside that other ali bodied valve I put up the other night, from the crane leg.


Now have the drop on that too - P1 is to cylinder, P2 is pressure in to the valve and the R port is a remote connection to Tee into the alternate/reverse service to provide the pilot pressure to release the check on the loaded actuator!



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The pilot pressure required to release the check is fully adjustable on this one too.


As many are so fond of saying, me included, ........ everyday's a school day!


So ........could use either of these on the grab's close stroke, but'll most likely be the newly acquired unit, simply for the physical size of it - very compact!

I'll give it a try and see how it performs - might even have to increase it slightly 'praps.


The chap I had it off even asked me for my email addy, so's he could send me the spec. sheet for it - seemed a very pleasant and interesting fella


Size-wise it couldnt be better and the porting is just spot on too!


T'was worth the grief ......... just about

[V8Druid]

Spent a couple of hours last week, knocking out some link plates and pins, to create a couple of 'copies' of a friend's great idea, for hanging rotators off his quicky lift lug.


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One of the Ying Tongs got a bit of exercise and used the 'slugs' to knock out a couple of spacers at the same time


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first link

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and second one getting trial fit


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Number three was fine ........


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But no. 4 saw off the drive shank on the Ying Tong - surprised it got that far!!
Finished it off with the body in the chuck and it is so much more 'solid' gripping the main body, I think they'll all lose their tangs/shanks


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cut a couple of 45mm pins and holed 'em for some Lynches, sorted a couple of end plates for barrel welding to the pins and a couple of washers too .........


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........... for the smaller pin ends.


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and cut a few larger tube spacers for the 45mil pins

here's the rotator off the block grab .....


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Suitably lugged up for the hitch!

This is the Kinshoffer off the new tongs grab/grapple .....


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Regrettably I didn't have a length of tube with a 45mm ID and had to make do with 48 mil, but they're only spacers to keep everything hanging centrally.
Ain't gonna bend a 45mm pin with what'll be hanging on there ...... ever!!

[V8Druid]

slight update on the above thread comments - just got a FB message from the pilot of said velocipede which stated :-
" We came from West Sussex & stuck to dual carriageways so that we didn't hold anyone up."
isn't technology wonderful
An' there's me thinking I'd got it from the Donkey's mouth yesterday, with Essex !!
Still a hell of a trip!!!!!!

And one more - someone's kindly supplied me with a pic. of the above 'road-train !!
Very thoughtful to stick to DCs - would imagine it would avoid all sorts of earfuls of abuse




Quite a combination to haul up and down the hills, especially with an acute shortage of donkeys under the bonnet
Just goes to show you don't need a lot if it's geared right - just don't need to be in a hurry

[V8Druid]

had to have half an hour with the die grinder earlier this week - the eye on the Miller is profiled and needed a bit of a clean up for a 'new' 45mm pin - the old one I'd tried in before, was obviously no longer the 'full monty' and went in - a 'new' full 45mm wouldn't - quite !!

it did after a 'bit of attention' though! ........


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Should do nicely to hang the odd rotator from !!

also juggled in the 'new' check valve, in between the monsoon style downpours - ground was like a cheesecake again and it's platform boots time, after a couple of steps on anything remotely brown!!





Think I'm going to have to replace the adapter in the close port for a long B/head fitting to get a bit more length, so I can get the 'open' pipe a little further away from the ironmongery - it's just a little too tight for longevity


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It'll push the valve block a good inch further into the centre and take the 'open' pipe union with it!!
It's fine with the grab open, but closed it gets pretty damned tight for that plumbing!!

otherwise it's a great fit and it will now grip and hold the 1200 kg test block between its edges, without 'letting go', at all!!


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Still got the two QCs in the other side of it for now, as I'm still considering quite how long any tails are going to need to be?

The valve is a great fit though - very pleased with it; it works well and not at all 'snatchy'.

You'll note all the bolts are now as they should be - short

I also remembered to measure that ram today - 65mm rod and I'd say a 100mm piston. All the pins are 50mm

I'm also considering making up a solid pipe between them and now I'm sure it's all functional, I may well look at doing that, but will have to acquire some suitable materials first - now't big enough to hand

Might just move it all forward with a few fittings as a pro tem measure, to avoid 'killing' what's in there, accidentally !!

had to resort to my local supplier in town yesterday for these ......


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......and got a caning!!!!!! 24 quid !!!!!!!FFS!!! At least Dick Turpin wore a mask !!

Anyway, after doing the rest of my wallet in Aldi, I got back to wrestle some alternate fittings into the grab.
Shorter flexi and a long b/head adapter to replace the std. shorty, gave me an extra inch and it all clears ........ just ! A.n.other M/F between the check and the b/head would give me another 20-25+ mm or a.n.other long b/head to replace the shorty in the check and a F/F would give me yet another inch, but don't think I'll need it. A steel pipe's the ultimate answer!!


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also swapped the QCs for a couple of hoses.........


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.....and FF QC-ed the ends of those.



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Also swapped the pick up head around 90 deg.s for better hose routing...


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......particularly for when it's under the VA-r.

Had a major swap about of all the various QCs too, after a dose of fittings arrived from my mate Jack at Holmbury.
Everything will now marry up, without any faff and all on FFs = virtually zero oil loss and a lot less mess


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