Vilken "dold" information finns i en bildfil?

[Stridis2]

Var på semester och läste en thriller där mycket av handlingen bygger på insamlandet av information från öppna källor. Använde också en kamera på semestern som loggar GPS-koordinater, höjd / djup och en massa annat. Började fundera på hur mycket dold information som finns med i en bildfil? Hur mycket av denna information följer med och hur mycket försvinner om man lägger upp det på Maskinisten, FB, Youtube osv? Jag har för mig man kan läsa vilken sorts kamera som använts, men kan man se något unikt kamera-ID? Följer datum och tid med?
Kort sagt, hur mycket förföljelsemani bör jag ha?

[Towil]

Informationen kallas EXIF och du kan läsa den med program som kan ta ut EXIF informationen bild filen.

[QV_]

i en bildfil så finns
Ägares namn
kamera med s/n om jag mins rätt
objetivtyp + s/n
bländare
slutartid
bränvidd (även på zoom)
datum
tid
GPS har jag inte sett men den finns där säkert

Med andra ord allt och lite till.

[Towil]

Det finns mycket i en bildfil.
https://sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exifto ... -11.17.zip
Packa upp filen släpp en bild på filen
OBS man skall inte köra igång filen.

[Towil]

Här är info i en bild från min Canon DSLR utan GPS

ExifTool Version Number : 11.17
File Name : _MG_0075.CR2
Directory : F:/Backup_foto/Bilder Dkamera/5Dmk2/20101003
File Size : 26 MB
File Modification Date/Time : 2010:10:03 08:11:02+02:00
File Access Date/Time : 2010:12:29 16:46:08+01:00
File Creation Date/Time : 2010:12:29 16:46:08+01:00
File Permissions : rw-rw-rw-
File Type : CR2
File Type Extension : cr2
MIME Type : image/x-canon-cr2
Exif Byte Order : Little-endian (Intel, II)
Image Width : 5616
Image Height : 3744
Bits Per Sample : 8 8 8
Compression : JPEG (old-style)
Make : Canon
Camera Model Name : Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Preview Image Start : 54732
Orientation : Horizontal (normal)
Preview Image Length : 2050233
X Resolution : 72
Y Resolution : 72
Resolution Unit : inches
Modify Date : 2010:10:03 08:11:02
Artist : Photographer:*****************
Copyright : Copyright:******************
Exposure Time : 1/1000
F Number : 5.6
Exposure Program : Aperture-priority AE
ISO : 400
Exif Version : 0221
Date/Time Original : 2010:10:03 08:11:02
Create Date : 2010:10:03 08:11:02
Components Configuration : Y, Cb, Cr, -
Shutter Speed Value : 1/1024
Aperture Value : 5.7
Flash : Off, Did not fire
Focal Length : 24.0 mm
Macro Mode : Normal
Self Timer : Off
Quality : RAW
Canon Flash Mode : Off
Continuous Drive : Single
Focus Mode : One-shot AF
Record Mode : CR2
Canon Image Size : n/a
Easy Mode : Manual
Digital Zoom : None
Contrast : Normal
Saturation : Normal
Metering Mode : Evaluative
Focus Range : Not Known
Canon Exposure Mode : Aperture-priority AE
Lens Type : Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM
Max Focal Length : 105 mm
Min Focal Length : 24 mm
Focal Units : 1/mm
Max Aperture : 4
Min Aperture : 23
Flash Activity : 0
Flash Bits : (none)
Zoom Source Width : 0
Zoom Target Width : 0
Manual Flash Output : n/a
Color Tone : Normal
SRAW Quality : n/a
Auto ISO : 100
Base ISO : 400
Measured EV : 13.13
Target Aperture : 5.7
Target Exposure Time : 1/1024
Exposure Compensation : 0
White Balance : Auto
Slow Shutter : None
Shot Number In Continuous Burst : 0
Optical Zoom Code : n/a
Camera Temperature : 16 C
Flash Guide Number : 0
Flash Exposure Compensation : 0
Auto Exposure Bracketing : Off
AEB Bracket Value : 0
Control Mode : Camera Local Control
Measured EV 2 : 13.125
Bulb Duration : 0
Camera Type : EOS High-end
ND Filter : n/a
Canon Image Type : Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Canon Firmware Version : Firmware Version 2.0.7
Owner Name : **********************
Serial Number : **********************
Flash Metering Mode : Off
Camera Orientation : Horizontal (normal)
Firmware Version : 2.0.7
File Index : 75
Directory Index : 100
Contrast Standard : 0
Sharpness Standard : 3
Saturation Standard : 0
Color Tone Standard : 0
Contrast Portrait : 0
Sharpness Portrait : 2
Saturation Portrait : 0
Color Tone Portrait : 0
Contrast Landscape : 0
Sharpness Landscape : 4
Saturation Landscape : 0
Color Tone Landscape : 0
Contrast Neutral : 0
Sharpness Neutral : 0
Saturation Neutral : 0
Color Tone Neutral : 0
Contrast Faithful : 0
Sharpness Faithful : 0
Saturation Faithful : 0
Color Tone Faithful : 0
Contrast Monochrome : 0
Sharpness Monochrome : 3
Filter Effect Monochrome : None
Toning Effect Monochrome : None
Contrast User Def 1 : 0
Sharpness User Def 1 : 3
Saturation User Def 1 : 0
Color Tone User Def 1 : 0
Filter Effect User Def 1 : None
Toning Effect User Def 1 : None
Contrast User Def 2 : 0
Sharpness User Def 2 : 3
Saturation User Def 2 : 0
Color Tone User Def 2 : 0
Filter Effect User Def 2 : None
Toning Effect User Def 2 : None
Contrast User Def 3 : 0
Sharpness User Def 3 : 3
Saturation User Def 3 : 0
Color Tone User Def 3 : 0
Filter Effect User Def 3 : None
Toning Effect User Def 3 : None
User Def 1 Picture Style : Standard
User Def 2 Picture Style : Standard
User Def 3 Picture Style : Standard
Canon Model ID : EOS 5D Mark II
Thumbnail Image Valid Area : 0 159 7 112
Serial Number Format : Format 2
AF Area Mode : Single-point AF
Num AF Points : 9
Valid AF Points : 9
Canon Image Width : 5616
Canon Image Height : 3744
AF Image Width : 5616
AF Image Height : 3744
AF Area Widths : 84 84 101 84 84 84 101 84 123
AF Area Heights : 101 101 74 101 101 101 74 101 131
AF Area X Positions : -1173 -561 0 561 1173 561 0 -561 0
AF Area Y Positions : 0 280 501 280 0 -280 -501 -280 0
AF Points In Focus : 8
AF Points Selected : 8
Original Decision Data Offset : 0
Bracket Mode : Off
Bracket Value : 0
Bracket Shot Number : 0
Raw Jpg Size : Large
Long Exposure Noise Reduction 2 : Off
WB Bracket Mode : Off
WB Bracket Value AB : 0
WB Bracket Value GM : 0
Live View Shooting : Off
Focus Distance Upper : 16.29 m
Focus Distance Lower : 8 m
Flash Exposure Lock : Off
Lens Model : EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM
Internal Serial Number :
Dust Removal Data : (Binary data 1024 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Crop Left Margin : 0
Crop Right Margin : 0
Crop Top Margin : 0
Crop Bottom Margin : 0
Exposure Level Increments : 1/3 Stop
ISO Speed Increments : 1/3 Stop
ISO Expansion : On
AEB Auto Cancel : On
AEB Sequence : 0,-,+
Safety Shift : Enable (Tv/Av)
Flash Sync Speed Av : Auto
Long Exposure Noise Reduction : Off
High ISO Noise Reduction : Off
Highlight Tone Priority : Disable
Auto Lighting Optimizer : Disable
Lens Drive No AF : Focus search off
Lens AF Stop Button : AF stop
AF Point Selection Method : Multi-controller direct
Superimposed Display : On
AF Assist Beam : Does not emit
Mirror Lockup : Disable
AF Point Area Expansion : Enable
AF Microadjustment : Disable; 0; 0; 0; 0
Shutter Button AF On Button : Metering + AF start
AF On AE Lock Button Switch : Disable
Set Button When Shooting : Normal (disabled)
Dial Direction Tv Av : Normal
Focusing Screen : Eg-A
Add Original Decision Data : Off
Assign Func Button : LCD brightness
Aspect Ratio : 3:2
Cropped Image Width : 5616
Cropped Image Height : 3744
Cropped Image Left : 0
Cropped Image Top : 0
Tone Curve : Standard
Sharpness : 0
Sharpness Frequency : n/a
Sensor Red Level : 0
Sensor Blue Level : 0
White Balance Red : 0
White Balance Blue : 0
Color Temperature : 5200
Picture Style : Neutral
Digital Gain : 0
WB Shift AB : 0
WB Shift GM : 0
Measured RGGB : 350 1024 1024 745
VRD Offset : 0
Sensor Width : 5792
Sensor Height : 3804
Sensor Left Border : 168
Sensor Top Border : 56
Sensor Right Border : 5783
Sensor Bottom Border : 3799
Black Mask Left Border : 0
Black Mask Top Border : 0
Black Mask Right Border : 0
Black Mask Bottom Border : 0
Color Data Version : 6 (50D/5DmkII)
WB RGGB Levels As Shot : 2427 1024 1024 1603
Color Temp As Shot : 5793
WB RGGB Levels Auto : 2427 1024 1024 1603
Color Temp Auto : 5793
WB RGGB Levels Measured : 2512 1020 1027 1527
Color Temp Measured : 6250
WB RGGB Levels Daylight : 2208 1024 1024 1683
Color Temp Daylight : 5200
WB RGGB Levels Shade : 2545 1024 1024 1393
Color Temp Shade : 7000
WB RGGB Levels Cloudy : 2383 1024 1024 1517
Color Temp Cloudy : 6000
WB RGGB Levels Tungsten : 1662 1080 1080 2790
Color Temp Tungsten : 3200
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Color Temp Fluorescent : 3674
WB RGGB Levels Kelvin : 2208 1024 1024 1683
Color Temp Kelvin : 5211
WB RGGB Levels Flash : 2399 1024 1024 1502
Color Temp Flash : 6125
Average Black Level : 1024 1024 1024 1024
Raw Measured RGGB : 309752 889181 883646 683875
Per Channel Black Level : 1024 1024 1023 1023
Normal White Level : 14800
Specular White Level : 15312
Linearity Upper Margin : 10000
Picture Style User Def : Standard; Standard; Standard
Picture Style PC : None; None; None
Custom Picture Style File Name :
AF Micro Adj Mode : Disable
AF Micro Adj Value : 0
Vignetting Corr Version : 0
Peripheral Lighting : Off
Chromatic Aberration Corr : Off
Peripheral Lighting Value : 0
Original Image Width : 5616
Original Image Height : 3744
Peripheral Lighting Setting : Off
User Comment :
Sub Sec Time : 49
Sub Sec Time Original : 49
Sub Sec Time Digitized : 49
Flashpix Version : 0100
Color Space : Uncalibrated
Exif Image Width : 5616
Exif Image Height : 3744
Interoperability Index : R98 - DCF basic file (sRGB)
Interoperability Version : 0100
Focal Plane X Resolution : 3849.211789
Focal Plane Y Resolution : 3908.141962
Focal Plane Resolution Unit : inches
Custom Rendered : Normal
Exposure Mode : Auto
Scene Capture Type : Standard
GPS Version ID : 2.2.0.0
Thumbnail Offset : 44460
Thumbnail Length : 10270
Photometric Interpretation : RGB
Samples Per Pixel : 3
Rows Per Strip : 234
Planar Configuration : Chunky
Strip Offsets : 2981512
Strip Byte Counts : 23982234
CR2 CFA Pattern : [Green,Blue][Red,Green]
Raw Image Segmentation : 2 1936 1920
SRaw Type : 1
Aperture : 5.6
Drive Mode : Single-frame Shooting
File Number : 100-0075
Image Size : 5616x3744
Lens : 24.0 - 105.0 mm
Lens ID : Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM
Megapixels : 21.0
Preview Image : (Binary data 2050233 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Scale Factor To 35 mm Equivalent: 1.0
Shooting Mode : Aperture-priority AE
Shutter Speed : 1/1000
Create Date : 2010:10:03 08:11:02.49
Date/Time Original : 2010:10:03 08:11:02.49
Modify Date : 2010:10:03 08:11:02.49
Thumbnail Image : (Binary data 10270 bytes, use -b option to extract)
WB RGGB Levels : 2427 1024 1024 1603
Blue Balance : 1.56543
Circle Of Confusion : 0.031 mm
Depth Of Field : inf (2.62 m - inf)
Field Of View : 75.1 deg
Focal Length : 24.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 23.4 mm)
Hyperfocal Distance : 3.34 m
Lens : 24.0 - 105.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 23.4 - 102.5 mm)
Light Value : 12.9
Red Balance : 2.370117



********************** = Censurerad info av mig

[tortap]

Det var ett projekt där man ville följa vargar. De hade med sig en GPS-tracker som bara lagrar ett spår under dagen. Sen hade man kamera med 5-600 mm tele. Med hjälp av GPS-informationen går det att synka tidsstämplar för att veta var en bild är tagen och med hjälp av fokusinformationen från kameran kunde man räkna fram GPS koordinater för vargen på bilden. Kul. Och lite skrämmade att alla telefoner kan göra det här idag.

[MagnusGoransson]

Geotaggningen är ju räddningen när man, på söndagen, inte har full koll på vart man råkade befinna sig på lördagsnatten. Förutsatt att man fotat nåt givetvis


Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk Pro

[Volvot24]

[Stridis2]

Det där var lite skrämmande information. Ska som test lägga ut en bild här, därefter tanka hem den och se om någon info har ändrats. Här kommer bilden:

[Holger]

Resultat?
Blev det en förändring?

[roddjer]

'
Rensa Exif...

Howtogeek; what-is-exif-data-and-how-to-remove-it

http://exifpurge.com
https://www.imore.com/how-remove-exif-d ... tos-iphone
https://www.verexif.com/en/

Använder man GIMP ska den kunna fixa det.
Finns säkert en drös med appar också.

Sen finns det väl fler tag-typer? IPTC, XMP t ex.

Om man fotar med mobilen verkar det som JPG är standard som filformat. Om man då spar om sin bild i ett annat format, PNG t.ex., hur mycket bärs över av metadatan? Programmet som används för konverteringen har säkert inställningar för det?

[roddjer]

'
Holger.

Kan man ordna så Maskinistens bilduppladdning strippar all metadata automatiskt?

[Holger]

Vi kollar vad Stridis2 finner ut först ...

[Stridis2]

Resultat?
Blev det en förändring?

Jajamensan, det kan man verkligen påstå. Ungefär 250 rader mot 30.
Frågan är om infon som försvann finns kvar på Maskinistens server? Alltså tillgänglig för elaka hackare och ondsint polis.

Bilden hos mig hade ungefär 250 rader info:
ExifTool Version Number : 11.17
File Name : PB030331.JPG
Directory : C:/Users/**********
File Size : 6.3 MB
File Modification Date/Time : 2018:11:03 05:45:04+01:00
File Access Date/Time : 2018:11:08 09:03:13+01:00
File Creation Date/Time : 2018:11:08 09:03:13+01:00
File Permissions : rw-rw-rw-
File Type : JPEG
File Type Extension : jpg
MIME Type : image/jpeg
Exif Byte Order : Little-endian (Intel, II)
Image Description : OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA
Make : OLYMPUS CORPORATION
Camera Model Name : TG-5
Orientation : Horizontal (normal)
X Resolution : 314
Y Resolution : 314
Resolution Unit : inches
Software : Version 1.1
Modify Date : 2018:11:03 05:45:05
Artist :
Y Cb Cr Positioning : Co-sited
Copyright :
Exposure Time : 1/160
F Number : 8.0
Exposure Program : Creative (Slow speed)
ISO : 100
Sensitivity Type : Standard Output Sensitivity
Exif Version : 0231
Date/Time Original : 2018:11:03 05:45:05
Create Date : 2018:11:03 05:45:05
Offset Time : +01:00
Offset Time Original : +01:00
Offset Time Digitized : +01:00
Components Configuration : Y, Cb, Cr, -
Exposure Compensation : 0
Max Aperture Value : 2.8
Light Source : Fine Weather
Flash : Auto, Did not fire
Focal Length : 4.5 mm
Special Mode : Normal, Sequence: 0, Panorama: (none)
Camera ID : OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA
Equipment Version : 0100
Camera Type 2 : TG-5
Serial Number : *************
Internal Serial Number : ******************
Focal Plane Diagonal : 7.77 mm
Body Firmware Version : 1.100
Conversion Lens :
Camera Settings Version : 0100
Preview Image Valid : Yes
Preview Image Start : 6431936
Preview Image Length : 155022
AE Lock : Off
Metering Mode : ESP
Exposure Shift : 0
ND Filter : On
Macro Mode : Off
Focus Mode : Face detect; S-AF, Face detect, Imager AF
Focus Process : AF Used; 0
AF Search : Ready
AF Areas : none
AF Point Selected : (49%,49%) (49%,49%)
AF Fine Tune : Off
AF Fine Tune Adj : 0 0 0
Flash Mode : Off
Flash Exposure Comp : 0
Flash Remote Control : Off
Flash Control Mode : Off; 0; 0; 0
Flash Intensity : n/a (x4)
Manual Flash Strength : n/a (x4)
White Balance 2 : 5300K (Fine Weather)
White Balance Temperature : 5300
White Balance Bracket : 0 0
Custom Saturation : 0 (min -5, max 5)
Modified Saturation : Off
Contrast Setting : 0 (min -5, max 5)
Sharpness Setting : 0 (min -5, max 5)
Scene Mode : Landscape
Noise Reduction : [4]
Distortion Correction : Off
Shading Compensation : Off
Compression Factor : 2.7
Gradation : Normal; User-Selected
Picture Mode : i-Enhance; 2
Picture Mode Saturation : 0 (min -2, max 2)
Picture Mode Contrast : 0 (min -2, max 2)
Picture Mode Sharpness : 0 (min -2, max 2)
Picture Mode BW Filter : n/a
Picture Mode Tone : n/a
Noise Filter : Standard
Art Filter : Off; 0; 0; 0
Magic Filter : Off; 0; 0; 0
Picture Mode Effect : Standard
Tone Level : 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0
Art Filter Effect : Off; 0; 0; Partial Color 0; No Effect; 0; No Color Filter; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0
Color Creator Effect : Color 0; 0; 29; Strength 0; -4; 3
Monochrome Profile Settings : No Filter; 0; 8; Strength 2; 0; 3
Film Grain Effect : Off
Color Profile Settings : Min -5; Max 5; Yellow 0; Orange 0; Orange-red 0; Red 0; Magenta 0; Violet 0; Blue 0; Blue-cyan 0; Cyan 0; Green-cyan 0; Green 0; Yellow-green 0
Monochrome Vignetting : 0
Monochrome Color : (none)
Drive Mode : Single Shot
Panorama Mode : Off
Image Stabilization : On, Mode 1
Stacked Image : No
Manometer Pressure : 100.9 kPa
Manometer Reading : 34.4 m, 112.8 ft
Extended WB Detect : Off
Roll Angle : -0.7
Pitch Angle : -4.9
Date Time UTC : 2018:11:03 04:45:05
Raw Dev Version : 0100
Raw Dev Exposure Bias Value : 0
Raw Dev White Balance Value : 0
Raw Dev WB Fine Adjustment : 0
Raw Dev Gray Point : 0 0 0
Raw Dev Saturation Emphasis : 0 0 0
Raw Dev Memory Color Emphasis : 0
Raw Dev Contrast Value : 0 0 0
Raw Dev Sharpness Value : 0 0 0
Raw Dev Color Space : sRGB
Raw Dev Engine : High Speed
Raw Dev Noise Reduction : (none)
Raw Dev Edit Status : Original
Raw Dev Settings : (none)
Image Processing Version : 0112
WB RB Levels : 412 452 256 256
Color Matrix : 404 -144 -4 -60 380 -64 4 -92 344
Black Level 2 : 257 257 257 257
Gain Base : 256
Crop Left : 8 0
Crop Top : 8 0
Crop Width : 4000
Crop Height : 3000
Sensor Calibration : 4095 488
Noise Reduction 2 : (none)
Distortion Correction 2 : Off
Shading Compensation 2 : On
Multiple Exposure Mode : Off; 1
Aspect Ratio : 4:3
Aspect Frame : 0 0 3999 2999
Faces Detected : 0 0 0
Face Detect Area : (Binary data 383 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Max Faces : 8 8 0
Face Detect Frame Size : 640 480 640 480 0 0
Face Detect Frame Crop : 0 0 640 480 0 0 640 480 0 0 0 0
Camera Temperature : 11
Focus Info Version : 0100
Scene Detect : 0
Zoom Step Count : 1
Focus Step Count : 9733
Focus Step Infinity : 9712
Focus Step Near : 9804
Focus Distance : inf
AF Point : Left (or n/a)
External Flash : Off
External Flash Bounce : Bounce or Off
External Flash Zoom : 0
Internal Flash : On
Manual Flash : Off
Macro LED : Off
Sensor Temperature : 36 36 0 C
User Comment :
Ambient Temperature : 27.5 C
Pressure : 1009
Water Depth : -0
Acceleration : 985746
Flashpix Version : 0100
Color Space : sRGB
Exif Image Width : 4000
Exif Image Height : 3000
Interoperability Index : R98 - DCF basic file (sRGB)
Interoperability Version : 0100
File Source : Digital Camera
Custom Rendered : Normal
Exposure Mode : Auto
White Balance : Manual
Digital Zoom Ratio : 1
Focal Length In 35mm Format : 25 mm
Scene Capture Type : Landscape
Gain Control : None
Contrast : Normal
Saturation : Normal
Sharpness : Normal
GPS Version ID : 2.3.0.0
GPS Status : Measurement Void
GPS Img Direction Ref : Magnetic North
GPS Img Direction : 8
Compression : JPEG (old-style)
Thumbnail Offset : 17792
Thumbnail Length : 9135
Image Width : 4000
Image Height : 3000
Encoding Process : Baseline DCT, Huffman coding
Bits Per Sample : 8
Color Components : 3
Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling : YCbCr4:2:2 (2 1)
Aperture : 8.0
Blue Balance : 1.765625
Image Size : 4000x3000
Megapixels : 12.0
Preview Image : (Binary data 155022 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Red Balance : 1.609375
Scale Factor To 35 mm Equivalent: 5.6
Shutter Speed : 1/160
Create Date : 2018:11:03 05:45:05+01:00
Date/Time Original : 2018:11:03 05:45:05+01:00
Modify Date : 2018:11:03 05:45:05+01:00
Thumbnail Image : (Binary data 9135 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Circle Of Confusion : 0.005 mm
Depth Of Field : inf (0.47 m - inf)
Field Of View : 71.5 deg
Focal Length : 4.5 mm (35 mm equivalent: 25.0 mm)
Hyperfocal Distance : 0.47 m
Light Value : 13.3
-- press RETURN --

Bilden från Maskinisten hade knappt 30:
ExifTool Version Number : 11.17
File Name : PB030331-Maskinisten.jpg
Directory : C:/Users/*********
File Size : 846 kB
File Modification Date/Time : 2018:11:09 10:29:40+01:00
File Access Date/Time : 2018:11:09 10:28:58+01:00
File Creation Date/Time : 2018:11:09 10:29:38+01:00
File Permissions : rw-rw-rw-
File Type : JPEG
File Type Extension : jpg
MIME Type : image/jpeg
JFIF Version : 1.01
Resolution Unit : None
X Resolution : 1
Y Resolution : 1
Comment : CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 100.
Image Width : 1200
Image Height : 900
Encoding Process : Baseline DCT, Huffman coding
Bits Per Sample : 8
Color Components : 3
Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling : YCbCr4:2:0 (2 2)
Image Size : 1200x900
Megapixels : 1.1
-- press RETURN --

[Holger]

Nej, detta kan inte sparas någon annastans.
Infot går förmodligen förlorat när vårt vattenmärke infogas.